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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Nov 30, 2003 10:50am
Forum: etree Subject: id3 tags?

"anyways, the original source can always be found here, so anyone concerned about lossless audio could easily find it. "

exactly. I don't know much about the process, but i assume info could be added to the mp3 files as an 'id3' tag right? perhaps since the details pages are static, each mp3 could have a part about where the mp3 came from and how it was from the original master .shn source which could be gotten for free at http://www.archive.org/audio/.... you know? file / song names are probably too much work, but i think some sort of pointer back to the archive with the mp3 would be good, so if one file is floating out there someone who wants the entire show in .shn quality can find it if they don't know about the archive.

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Poster: woostahDave Date: Nov 30, 2003 11:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: id3 tags?

that sounds like a good idea, although it still would not address the tapers concern that someone could burn the files to cd, rip the audio and then pass them off as originals. isn't it fairly easy to detect such "undercover" mp3's? is there a program that does this?

There is a music site out there (to remain nameless) which allows you to download lossless audio files, but can also encode, on the fly, into mp3 and ogg at any number of bit rates so the downloader can choose his format. this might be a good solution (although difficult for the programmers). it is no different than someone who downloads the shns and then converts them to mp3 on their computer. i am sure this happens all the time and tapers cannot control it.

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Nov 30, 2003 11:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: id3 tags?

Sure no one can control that but atleast the downloader has to take the time to learn how to deal with SHN/Flac and how to convert it to mp3... if they can go through all that and still disregard all the community standards then they are helpless.. but if just one person was to go through all that and learn that its ok to trade shows in SHN/Flac and only ok to have the mp3's for personal use then thats a victory... that victory will be impossible if we go down his proposed road...

In my opinion what some people are calling borader access is more like making us more lazy!

There is a saying.. perhaps something everyone needs to repeat to themselves on a day to day basis(me included) in this world off instant information..
"anything good takes time"


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 1, 2003 12:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: id3 tags?

Beyond "lazy", beyond even trading, see
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=10441

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Dec 1, 2003 12:55am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: id3 tags?

sure thats a touching story and I mean no disrespect to your father.. but how is one able to repsond to something like that.. id feel better reading it if it was non biased otherwise it feels tainted in my view. Because its very obvious where you stand on this issue.

*just pointing out my view, not attacking anyone*

actually I've been debating for months now with a good friend of mine who works in a library and like me is a taper... he sees this similar to the posters he works with.. he provides a master image in tiff format which is huge like SHN and then smaller samples in jpeg for example..

I can see where he has a point that its worthwile to have a copy for both purposes like brewster pointed out in his post.. but as far as the archive goes there needs to be a bigger disctinction... perhaps building an interface which allows users to stream mp3's but NOT download them and then having the SHN/Flac for people to download..
I think there is wiggle room when I say stream so thats its not perceived to be a radio station but who knows maybe I am wrong..


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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Dec 1, 2003 3:32am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: individual perspective-shifting

its very obvious where you stand on this issue.

Right Matt, just as it's obvious from your posts where you stand, and from some other contributors about where they stand on various points. ;) But don't worry, although I help volunteer here, I'm certainly not a person to make the directional decisions here, I'm just one of the discussers along with you. As friendly debaters, we'd each like to get our point well across. :)

Y'know, as one of the earlier ones to push SHN and as keeper of a SHN FAQ for some years now, I've been in the trading trenches along with you pushing for "quality training" and raising the "SHN, not mp3" banner within our little trading community. Within the last couple years, my thinking has evolved beyond that because of a couple of big factors:

-As Marco said last month, it's now clear that "we won the war" in the trading community- anything else is just mopup. ;) IMO there's enough critical mass of clued-in people now to train the new traders who may be confused about what we trade and why we trade it. We have a mighty weight of trading culture, so many help resources to support that, and so many nagging voices to point traders to them. ;) That is cool.

-I've seen how internet music access has shifted so dramatically in our national/global culture that it's- amazingly!- dwarfed the internet trading community that basically started it all, even though our community is mighty on its own. I have my dad's example, a whole different-style example with a brother that I won't go into now ;) and there are so many other stories out there, from "regular people." They've swayed me.

Diana "the SHN Queen" (heh)

This post was modified by hamilton on 2003-12-01 11:32:19